This post is written on https://normals.me/ and delivered to !fediverse@lemmy.world over #ActivityPub, so if you are reading it the basic plumbing works. Now let me explain what is this.

Normals is a forum with communities, threads, and questions with an accepted answer. It is a single instance, not software you can host, and the core is closed for anti-abuse reasons. The federation module will be published separately with implementation notes (FEP-67ff).

What federates today Every community is a Group actor following the Lemmy model (FEP-1b12). Follow @selfhosted@normals.me or any other community from Lemmy, PieFed, Mbin or Mastodon.

Posts and comments go both ways. Replies from your instance appear in the thread on Normals, replies from Normals go back to the origin.

Remote content is labelled with its origin, links back to it, and is never copied. Media loads from the source.

Signed fetches, so it works with instances that require authorized fetch. NodeInfo 2.1 is up.

Policies, in case they matter to you, it has no ads, and no paid reach, and of course no AI training on posts. AI crawlers blocked by default, public mod log with reasons, and no automated removals. Numbers at https://normals.me/transparency so please take a look.

If something from your instance shows up wrong here, or something from here shows up wrong on yours, reply with the URL and I’ll fix it. Andy Piper mentioned NodeBB uses the same group model, if anyone runs a NodeBB instance I’d like to test against it, if possible.

I hope we all have fun. Cheers!

  • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
    913·
    2 days ago

    The elitism is in thinking that using AI for some parts of the application (the frontend) nullifies the whole project.

    • SorteKanin@feddit.dkEnglish
      12·
      2 days ago

      I very much doubt the AI use is confined to the frontend. But I don’t see why the frontend is fine to vibe code while other stuff is not?

      Using AI as a tool is fine. It can be very useful for programming. But “vibe coding” is using it to an extreme degree where the AI is producing almost the whole thing, with a very small amount of guidance or design from the user. That’s what I would object to. Such a thing has very little value, anyone can vibe code such a thing.

        • SorteKanin@feddit.dkEnglish
          21·
          4 hours ago

          I don’t think that’s a very nuanced position. LLMs can be an incredibly useful tool for programming. It would be silly not to use such a tool. Yes, it has its shortcomings and it can be used badly by amateurs but in the hands of a professional with good guidance, it can help a lot. Vibe coding doesn’t fall under that category though.

          • Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.orgEnglish
            1·
            35 minutes ago

            Some opinions don’t have to be nuanced, sometimes the truth’s completely on one side. This is one of those cases.

            Read this and you’ll understand why I hate AI so much.

      • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
        103·
        1 day ago

        I very much doubt the AI use is confined to the frontend.

        We can only be sure if/when they open the backend code.

        why the frontend fine to vibe code while other stuff is not?

        Many reasons:

        • frontend code has a lot less variability than backend
        • users already expect some common UI/UX, and AI has been trained on these so much that it rarely gets the basics wrong.
        • UI code is not part of the core business
        • buggy frontends may be bad to users, but they are a lot less likely to cause catastrophic errors in the whole system.
        • lots of developers do not care about frontend and think that it’s s just about “making it pretty”, so they are happy to delegate this work to a clanker.
        • SorteKanin@feddit.dkEnglish
          11·
          1 day ago

          Most of that is fair except

          UI code is not part of the core business

          That I definitely disagree with. UI and UX is important.

          Still doesn’t make that vibe coded frontend worth anything.

          • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
            41·
            1 day ago

            UI and UX is important

            It is important, but worrying about UX instead of shipping is the easiest way to avoid shipping. If you don’t agree, just check Craigslist, ebay and many other profitable companies with complete outdated frontends.