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    Yes, and you are now using Slack. You know what Slack is. It is a paid product. You are now more likely to suggest or vote for opening a Slack workspace for a team. And a few dozen other people, too. You are now less likely to use your skills to work towards alternatives, something that Zach promised back in 2016, and also in 2025 when he promised to fork MatterMost.

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      Ahh I see. I thought you meant advertising through Slack, not advertising Slack itself. Honestly the fact they use Slack is one of my least favorite things about Hack Club. That said, although I heavily prefer using only open source software, there are very few organizations who do that… Yk, “you can’t let perfect be the enemy of good”. Rejecting anything that’s not perfect is unrealistic. What we should do instead, is try to improve things.

      I don’t know about this promise Zach supposedly made, and I can’t read about it since that article is paywalled. Kind of ironic trying to hate on a organization for using a paid product, while you’re evidence is hidden behind… A paid product.

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        paywall

        Interesting, loaded fine for me the other day. Although the paywall is gone if I just disable scripting. UBlock Origin has a button for that, it’s the </>.

        Also, just realized that Lemmy rewrites links which fucks up the pretty new highlight anchor standard… I should probably open an issue about that eventually. But page search for “Slack”.

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          Got it to load. No, he did not promise to work towards an alternative (though I have heard him say elsewhere that he would like to switch to an alternative). He mentioned that one member was working on an alternative as their own project, that’s all.

          This is the second time you’ve tried to make what one individual is doing as a personal project sound worse than it is, then making it sound like Hack Club as a whole is the one doing it (the first time claiming that HC is “gamifying claude”). Hack Club is a huge community, what a few individual members do doesn’t represent the whole of Hack Club. This just feels disingenious.

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            he did not promise to work

            No CEO does any work of course, someone else does

            As for the Claude counter, look at the leaderboard. That’s slightly more than a single person.

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              The point is that you claimed that Zach promised something that he never promised. Why?

              No CEO does any work of course, someone else does

              He’s not a CEO. He’s the founder. And he did, and continues to do, a lot of work to make Hack Club what it is. He isn’t a billionaire with 15 homes.

              As for the Claude counter, look at the leaderboard. That’s slightly more than a single person.

              It’s a huge community. Of course there are a lot of people who use AI. Guess what… There’s also a lot of people who a very anti-AI. And personally, I think communities are healthier when we accept that not everyone has to agree on everything.

              Also, you’re missing the point. You claimed that Hack Club was gamifying Claude, linking to a project that one community member made. That’s what I meant by one person. I wasn’t claiming that only 1 person in Hack Club uses Claude.

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                The point is that you claimed that Zach promised something that he never promised.

                Implied promise.

                He’s not a CEO. He’s the founder.

                Blunder: two things may be true at the same time. https://hackclub.com/team :

                Zach Latta: Founder and Executive Director

                Wikipedia:

                Executive director is commonly the title of the chief executive officer (CEO) of a company, a nonprofit organization, government agency or international organization.

                The title may also be used by a member of a board of directors for a corporation {where} the role is usually contrasted with a non-executive director who usually holds no executive, managerial role with the corporation, but purely an advisory role.

                It’s clearly not the latter (get it? "latt"er, eh? hah, heh heh). Quinn Slack (unrelated to Slack) says CEO of “Amp”, an AI company, not of Hack Club. The page also reveals that he, the CEO of AMD and the CEO of Dell are all in the board.

                a lot of work

                About as much as any CEO, that is email and Slack.

                isn’t a billionaire with 15 homes.

                Doesn’t have to be for it to be bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petite_bourgeoisie

                Also, the non-profit is an asset, so he is a millionaire by definition.

                one community member made

                Also employee during work hours.