Obligatory not american lol

I think this opinion on lemmy is probably not unpopular, but I have been seeing people saying how republicans are dead as a political party, and more specifically the anti democratic/fascist element, believing that people have seen their mistakes.

This I strongly strongly disagree with. I think its wishful thinking, a thinking that we can return to “normal” politics. We absolutely cannot. The republican voter base, are not going to magically return to normal to rational politics (although knowing some history that has never been the case lmao)

I believe this is because:

  1. Trump will be blamed for incompetence. The idealogy itself will not face much critic from the Republicans.
  2. Trump is a symptom of things in our societies, and if those do not get addressed, simply a trump 2.0 will appear and very likely be more dangerous. I believe what is causing trumpist like politics is: break down of community bonds on all levels, hyper individualism, social media and economic inequality/exclusion. The socialist in me says the problem is “capitalism” buts its good to be specific.
  3. The only winning strategy for republicans is to basically play the authoritarian game but smarter. Choosing a leader who is more competent then trump, and who is more idealogically commited. In this sense, america was lucky that trump was so self interested and chaotic.
  4. Trust in politics has collapsed further under trump. Theres the worry of the growth fascists in america/the world, but another element is the growth of people no longer believing in politics and sort of taking a neutral position. Under these circumstances the 30% that are fascists take power, and the politically apathetic 60% will just shrug their shoulders and comment on how nothings changed. If democrats fail, this trust will fall further.

Im not sure if i am entirely right on my points, but I really want to discourage the belief that the democrats, without doing anything, will magically be in power for 50 years or something. In fact I believe the democrats will need to be generationally strong movement, and I think this will need strong socialist element.

I also want to discourage the belief that the republicans arent going to continue with their fascist politics.

One final point is that this line of thinking applies in every country when a particular instance of a fascist project fails.

Ok rant over

Edit: fixed a typo/missed words

  • Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineEnglish
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    8 days ago

    Hello fellow non american.

    I think what is key to understanding the kind of sentiment you are seeing is that (some) americans really believe their system of government is the best and only true free option and therefore the only way to secure a peaceful and free future. So it’s natural to be exuberant when their team wins.

    Dear americans: if this comment isn’t an accurate description of your feelings then it isn’t about you.

    Not to speak for OP, but here are some examples of things that people outside of the US might interpret as the kind of sentiment the OP is speaking about:

    "2026 was not simply a blue wave; it was a blue tsunami. It was an a—kicking. It was not simply a bad 2006 midterm election. It was a Watergate-level repudiation. What happened, and why? What are the consequences, and where on earth do we go from here?” [Ted] Cruz said during his podcast out Wednesday.

    “But let’s just be clear about what happened last night. This is close to an extinction-level event for Republicans in many parts of the country, as we have seen, probably in the last 100 years.” - Ron DeSantis

    This whole article lol.

    The celebratory memes have been thick and fast, and young people are leading the charge. Some of the most chronically online have joked that the era of “woke 3.0” is here. “Everyone put your pronouns back in your email signature by 10 a.m. tomorrow,” said one jokey tweet. “I haven’t libbed out like this in so many years…” said another rejoicing at the results rolling in.

    All the tweets in this article too lol

    (Yes, some of these are intentionally absurd overstatements because that’s a fun thing to do)

    It’s hard for people outside of the US to see this relatively small shift in seats as being such a big deal, especially given the 2/3 majority required to overcome a presidential veto. Consider that in many places it would be scandalous to court individual people across party lines to support your legislation. In other countries, people leave their party (willingly, or forcefully) to do that.

    Edit to add: also some people don’t see the Democratic party as authoritarian themselves because bombing other countries is spreading freedom or whatever.

    Eta again this post is a perfect example: