Source: https://lemmy.ml/post/54960202/28843231
Someone’s being all spiritual and transcendent on a thread about Kwame Ture’s quote on liberalism.
Slaves fighting for their freedom shouldn’t use violence because they’re just going to become slavers themselves (THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT THEY THINK)
What were those people before being enslaved,
What do you think they are implying here?
Ask him if he thinks we should negotiate with Russia and transcend violence then.
I did but never responded, instead he made a comment in a post talking about experiencing violent threats and linking to this thread crying about it. Just hilarious.
Dipshit hasn’t received any violent threats at all, he’s not worth it when there are real monsters in the material world to fight.
Even ask them what they think of police brutality. Handwring about the cops “being just as bad as criminals” and watch this whole attitude evaporate. Tell them we can’t genocide all Muslims, and not all Muslims are terrorists and they will insist that violence against them is good.
They only bring this out when someone suggests defending themselves against a powerful group like white men. 4chan is full of cackling monsters, but they will be the first to tell you how wrong revenge is when someone suggests fighting back against neo-nazis.
Liberals have a noble martyrdom fetish that they almost exclusively apply to other people.
Those people get to bravely sacrifice themselves for my treats.
wot if ‘in the absence of a liberatory education…’ but no theory
Couldn’t have said it more succinctly.
Violence sucks. It doesn’t feel good. It’s what made me a leftist in the first place. I would love to abolish cops, stop imperial war, reconcile with China, end homelessness+hunger. I’d even say that even after “a riot is the language of the unheard” style violence that you’d need hearings and reconciliation to cope with the justified violence that happened.
Especially if you’re in America where obtaining and integrating any knowledge of the humanities is nerd shit nobody cares about (anti-intellectual) the transcendence without the liberatory education reveals your brain worms in short order with the right questions
They just skipped the education part and went for “the dream of the oppressed is always to become oppressors”
Idealism is perhaps the trait I am most proud of
I wonder what this person thinks about Ukraine. I’ll never forget the time a lib told me, "I’m a staunch pacifist but I’m also 100% behind helping Ukraine." 99% of the time, “pacifists” are just libs congratulating themselves on opposing all violence except the violence they support.
Every single person who says stuff like this really thinks that violence is okay as long as it is done by the “whiter” party. As soon as it is a minority fighting back agains oppression and imperialism they suddenly only support non-violence. I was really triggered by this book I read where the social fascist author first explains why he thinks Ukraine is waging a just war per Hegels definition, then 200 pages casually saying something along the lines of how violent decolonial movements like the FLN should have been more like Nelson Mandela and Gandhi because he thinks non-violence “works better”. I mean, it does work better for him, who gets to keep benefiting from exploiting them …
One of my favorites of Eli Valley:
Libs be like:
Draft: 😡
In Ukraine: 😍
Kidnapping and torturing people before using them as cannon fodder: 😴 ( 😍 )
Lmfao, libs really don’t know that words have specific meanings.
banned from community. you should be reassured
I got permabanned from that comm because I asked jordanlund, a mod, for sources on the “Uighur Genocide” and then I said, “Before I go through these, if I ctrl+f ‘Zenz’ how many hits am I gonna get?” and that’s when he banned me.
That’s definitely the ban I’m proudest of.
18, if you’re wondering.
which 18 so i can block them
I mean, when I did ctrl+f ‘Zenz’ I got 18 hits.
ah.
also “condense 100 years of pascifist philosophy” i honestly can count my blessings that i haven’t seen more pathetic grasps on human history though i’m sure they exist. i imagine if he comes out of his stupor of main character syndrome and american-pop-culture-references-as-a-language he’d break down when he realizes he will never be released from the agony of real life by a commercial break, and try to dorothy-her-shoes-of-ruby to the phrase “this video was sponsored by nord vpn”
evil thing. the fascifism in “compell[ing] to follow” the manipulation behind shaming and abusing people to make victims of themselves, to embrace it… that is violence. insidious and by proxy
If violence doesn’t work, then why are the people who have the most capacity to dish it out also the most powerful in the world?
“Violence doesn’t work”
Current global hegemony literally maintained through many types of violence
you may think this useless, but let’s not forget that hippie idealism ended capitalism back in 1971
You have to move on. But sometimes you have to get even and move on.
You don’t think a cotton gin requiring vastly less effort to maintain/oppress had anything to do with it?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOU FUCKING IDIOT THAT WAS THE TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCE THAT ENSURED SLAVERY PERSISTED FOR ANOTHER SEVERAL DECADES YOU PIECE OF SHIT, IT DID EXACTLY THE FUCKING OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU’RE SAYING IT DID. GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!
PS: Can someone please point this out to this asshole? I don’t really want to dig up my .ml password just to get into an argument with this fucking numbnut
Eli Whitney even said as much. He regretted its invention because it actually made slavery more profitable. His rediscovery of interchangeable parts had more impact on ending slavery because it allowed the Union to build more rifles than the south. It was rifles he used to demonstrate in front of congress the practicality of interchangeable parts.
It’s like in order to be a liberal, you have to just ignore all of history and make up your own fanfiction.
His rediscovery of interchangeable parts had more impact on ending slavery because it allowed the Union to build more rifles than the south.
B-b-but rifles are instruments of *gasp* violence!!!
actually violence is okay for liberals if it’s perpetuated by the state*
*must be white
PS: Can someone please point this out to this asshole? I don’t really want to dig up my .ml password just to get into an argument with this fucking numbnut
I was about to point out that hexbear can post on .ml but then I try to view the thread on hexbear and apparently .ml hasn’t been updated in many days for this instance?
The person in question is on sh.itjust.works, which is defederated from hexbear, so if I go to the thread from here I can’t see that person’s comments:
I hate this particular type of person so much
At least the chuds will tell me they hate me to my face
People like this will see us burn and go, “how brave, they’re so much better than the people burning them”
😌
One of my best friends (god I need to make new ones) got this way lately. Painting himself as a massive pacifist but supporting Germany in buying a shit ton of weaponry right now and in the coming years. Ohh he is so opposed to violence “but akkkchually we NEED the US hegemony because else the cHiNeSe and RuShiaAAanS ( bad bad bad!!) would do”… Well what would they do? Huh? Of course much worse or if they would be honest they just FEAR we would be treated like we treat the global south.
They want to profit from violence while feeling like saints. DISGUSTING.
I hate a coward more than an enemy.
I wouldn’t even distinguish them as cowards, most of these people actively do not like black and brown people because we mess with the vibes or we cause a scene
These are the people who will call the cops on kids playing in the street and when the cops traumatize or kill those kids, they go “Oh, i never would have thought this could happen!”
They’re the quiet racists, the ones who will gladly stab people in the back and pretend like they didn’t know
But when it comes time to pick a side, they always manage to pick the wrong one
But when it comes time to pick a side, they always manage to pick the wrong one
That’s because they’re not picking a side, they’re dropping the pretense of not having been on that side all along.
People like this will see us burn and go, “how brave, they’re so much better than the people burning them”
This user seems to genuinely believe that slaves should never fight back and I can’t help but see “what were they like before being enslaved” as anything but INCREDIBLY FUCKING SUS
Profoundly suspicious
Crunchy granola racist
Many such cases. At this point any crunchy granola hippies are likely to also be white supremacists until proven otherwise, all the woo-woo stuff has coalesced into fucked up nazi shit by now.
