• agentant [any]@hexbear.net
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    2 days ago

    I wonder if this was made by a Kautskyist thonk

    Also like, fucking, Mussolini isn’t either of those. He never had majority support and he was fully working with Capital, he was only just barely curbing capitalism so that he could put on the veil of being a populist. He was, under no fucking circumstances, even a “social democrat”. Even with the Social Democracy is just the moderate wing of Fascism meme, he was never the moderate wing. He’s just a fucking fascist.

    Anyway expected xitter take

    • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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      1 day ago

      I wonder if this was made by a Kautskyist

      Are there actual Kautskyists today? There are people who believe the same things as Kautsky but I’ve never found one that’s actually read history and theory enough to know that’s what they are.

      • SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml
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        8 hours ago

        The DSA’s Marxist Unity Group caucus cites Kautsky on occasion? But only stuff from his pre-renegade period, and they always augment it with stuff from Lenin and the Soviet revolutionary experience.

        • TheoryofChange [they/them]@hexbear.net
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          Some real Jacobin bangers

          Kautsky’s organizational dependence on the SPD apparatus placed the aging theorist in a brutal predicament when the leadership made a steady turn to the right from 1909 onwards:

          He faced the dilemma of either taking up the struggle with the [opportunist] trends and moods dominating more and more in the decisive links of the structure of the workers’ movement or of more or less thoroughly adapting to them. If he chose to fight it would mean losing the position of the official party ideologue and theoretician which he had enjoyed almost a quarter century and to which he was extremely attached. Moreover he was not used to “swimming against the tide,” he was then almost 60 and was a very tired and nervously exhausted man.

          Emphasis mine. Just lmao. Is this not the epitome of opportunism?

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          Damn, Jacobin is even worse that I thought.

          By this late date, virtually no influential political current in Germany or beyond sought to implement Kautsky’s political prescriptions. Despite his steady turn to the center after 1909, Kautsky’s entreaties were ignored by the bureaucratized officialdom of the German Social Democratic Party (SPD) throughout the revolution. Germany’s radicals, on the other hand, rejected their former mentor for having abandoned his long-standing commitment to revolutionary class politics.

          This sense of betrayal was not unfounded. Up until the early 1910s, Kautsky was the leading light of the far left in Germany, Russia, and across the world. It’s hardly the case that Kautsky’s writings were to blame for the German social democracy’s slide to the right. What caused the SPD’s degeneration was not a theoretical mistake, but the unexpected rise of a caste of party and union bureaucrats who were dismissive of Marxist principles in general and Kautsky’s “intransigent” class strategy in particular.

          “We renounced any sort of revolutionary platform, and then suddenly, randomly, our whole party became filled with opportunists and careerists! What an odd coincidence! Well, I’m sure if we do it again, it’ll be fine, what are the odds it’d happen twice?”

    • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      2 days ago

      He was, under no fucking circumstances, even a “social democrat”

      The main joke of the meme is that the bottom right corner does not remotely resemble the actual thing being discussed.

    • agentant [any]@hexbear.net
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      2 days ago

      I’m presuming it’s not since I also found this on their account: First two machine translated are: 🇺🇦🇵🇸🇨🇳: one day you understand… 🇺🇦🇵🇸🇹🇼: you’re getting there…

      The collective list here doesn’t inspire me with much confidence they have good opinions

      (Last flag 🇳🇫 seems to be for Norfolk Island, an outlying island territory of Australia)