or eggs or other insect parts
I have never met a vegan who was okay with honey but I have had plenty of non vegan mother fuckers constantly bring this up as if its this huge edge case point of conflict. Its made and taken involuntarily from animals. It ain’t that hard to figure out.
I saw a post once that actually argued bees are aware of the arrangement and generally willingly tolerate the deal. We can tell they know the deal because they produce extra honey to account for the keeper’s cut, and we know they willingly tolerate it because if they found it intolerable, bees are perfectly capable of fucking right off and leaving you with an empty hive.
“Don’t like the rent? Just move somewhere rural lmao” type argument.
I’ve been hit with the “they literally make it for us.” No bro the bees that evolved honey did not do it millions of years ago for the people that weren’t even around back then.
They didn’t evolve it for us, no. The evidence just suggests to me that they find this an agreeable expense in exchange for a solid shelter guarded by a comparative titan. I don’t know exactly what parts of the deal they understand and what parts they like, but they clearly at least know to expect the honey tax.
I know you think animals can consent but they can’t
I mean some animals certainly can consent to some things. There are obviously limitations, and bees may be well within those limits, but I’ve seen pets and farm animals that very clearly understand the deal with “owner is gonna do something unpleasant and then give us a treat” because they offer themselves up for something they initially resisted and clearly still are not fans of.
Yeah the animal I’m talking to clearly consented to a lobotomy
Oh wow you’re so clever with your locked in opinion that resists the evidence of my experience.