This was my favorite part of the Chapo appearance on that one shitlib podcast, Skullduggery. He was doing the same whimpering about different ideas and legitimate disagreement, and the Chapos said people talk about this like it’s “I want spaghetti” vs “I want a hamburger” when it’s more like “I own this copper wire factory and want to dump my industrial waste in the river” vs “we live in a town downstream and don’t want to die”. There’s no symmetry between these positions and vague gestures about differences of opinion only obscure the fact that so many of these bullshit debates are fundamentally people fighting for human welfare vs people with enough money and power to deny those people.