cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/c/technology@piefed.social/p/2533091/proton-to-re-interview-staff-about-ai-to-see-who-gets-to-keep-their-job
Lotta discussion about alternatives.
For email I recommend runbox.com. They just do email, that’s it. worker owned, geothermal powered, based in Norway which has better privacy laws than EU and no ChatControl.
For all else, find a NextCloud provider – there are tons. Even a couple of free ones.
Because they’re trying to find those idiots that mess up the codebase by using ai, right?
Right?
Can recommend mailfence.com for email, calendar, addressbook.
Reasonably priced, publish yearly transparency reports, support email encryption, don’t do bullshit add-ons, have shown to be stable about their principles throughout the years I’ve been their customer.
I had been planning to move to proton. Definitely won’t be now.
Fastmail? Mailbox.org?
I moved off of Proton to Mailbox.org maybe 6 months or so ago. No complaints. Much happier tbh.
Seconded. Still need to move the last bit of my mail to Mailbox.org. I’d also recommend Fastmail, Tutanota, Disroot, and Mailfence.
And a VPN alt, too? 😅
tutanota is good
Edit: I have learned that perhaps they are not.
thanks for the info i had no idea
Same
First mullvad and now proton. Sheeeesh.
So now this is an alternative email thread, right?
Astermail? Fastmail?
Are both also shoving ai down their employees throats and/or guving money to fascists?
Is my only hope hosting and maintaining my own email service?
Proton has been sketchy for years. Like every 6 months the get dragged for unethical shit but somehow everyone is surprised each time
We’ve known about Proton for way longer then Mullvad. CEO has had TDS for a while now; the AI pivot is like the last 5 degrees of the heelturn. Same with Omarchy and Brave.
What happened with Mullvad?
One of the owners is a
libertaanarchisolationist who donate to a right-wing anti-immigrant political party, pretty much single-handedly keeping it going, iirc. The company distanced themselves but did not apologize or say ‘fuck one of our owners’ so people are not sure what to make of it.
Don’t know what it has to do with AI though.one of the owners is a fascist
And donated the company’s earnings heavily to pro-fascist movements.
Co-founder and co-owner Daniel Berntsson financing with 500k€ Örebro, far-right party in Sweden
Maybe there’s also some controversy about their AI use
Fastmail seems fairly sensible about AI:
https://www.fastmail.com/blog/not-written-with-ai/
Their email service itself is excellent, and I appreciate that they recently introduced the option to move your account’s data storage out of the USA into the EU. But they’re not an encrypted service like Proton or Tuta.
Posteo is a decent one that friends of mine use
i use posteo but wanted to switch to something else with more aliases but. it works there is no kontroversie… so 1€ per month is good.
Is my only hope hosting and maintaining my own email service?
Oh boy do I know a “tool” that can help you with that. It’ll guide you through the process of getting started. Or if you want, you can have it’s agents do it for you. /s
Ooh, ooh! Can I guess? Is it you?
This is so vague we dont even know if it’s a good thing
Its not. Its to fire people who dont vibe code
