You must log in or register to comment.
I wonder how long it will take to rebuild. This was like 19 years ago.
There are multiple few hundred acre sites scattered across new England and the Midwest that are specifically for maintenance of the Navy. They are mostly just used for The USS Constitution at this point, but she does get the best wood from those forests.
They’ve done better for us by just being trees than being turned into war ships, anyway.
Fun fact, these trees are still being turned into historic viking warships at Roskilde. If you are ever in the area pay them a visit, amazing museum 10/10!
Smart Danes. You never know when your country will need timber in large quantity. Back then, France king used up all our oaks to fail in naval wars. In 2027, our oak population still haven’t recovered.
Meanwhile Finnish forest are gueting destroyed for data center… *sight*
how tf you posting this from 2027?
Yes, I did take a estimation that centuries of growth that hadn’t happened yet won’t happened for the two months and three days we have left for 2027. It is an estimation rather than a fact but I’m confident in it and will stick by it.
So… no time machine, then?
Time zones + daylight savings.
Also not being American helps, we’re frozen in 1942.
uh, american here, I think we’re trying to return to 1942, and on the wrong side at that. lol
In fairness, Finland has more trees now than 100 years ago.
Part of it though is from not letting companies pull bullshit like Google did. Whether this fuckass government will do shit about it though…
TIL.
France also has more forest that ever in recorded history but most of them are exploited, the number of tree or the surface of the forest isn’t a metric for richness weither in biodiversity or in material quality. Let hope our ruler realised that and give the forest the very-long term strategy and forward planning it needs to thrive.
That is not late. Oaks are slow growing trees, a timeline of 200 years is expected for them.
Think about how long it took to grow when carving wood. Then you fuck it up and ruin it. A tree older than the oldest relative you can remember died for this and you ruined it.
At some point I do want to buy some proper wood rather than using broken fence panels, but then it costs money.
Wait till you spend a hundred bucks on a small piece of rosewood to build a guitar bridge and cock it up.
This seems oddly specific. Someone you know?
This is why I only use fast-growing, purpose-harvested pine.
This, and the “costs money” part. You either have an entire lumber mill in your garage, or you buy the expensive, pre-milled stuff. There’s no way wood furniture is cheap. It’s like if they can’t sell us the finished furniture, they’re going to get their profit from the materials to build it.
Fuck Capitalism, and the billionaires who leech from us.
Given I want to make small things I have wondered about using firewood. Probably a lot of work to saw it down though and often has cracks from drying quickly.
There are some fallen trees in the park. Could I just take them?
There are some fallen trees in the park. Could I just take them?
That’s highly variable depending on country and local law. Usually no that wouldn’t be legal.
In places like National parks or conservation areas I’d encourage you to leave them alone. A dead tree is part of the natural cycle.
A city park where they will mulch it up tomorrow definitely ecologically fine to take
i think this is also why conifers are so popular for timber these days, grows much faster. AFAIK something like pine takes maybe 40 years until it can be harvested.
40 year mature conifers also have completely different properties and is subpar for the things oak is great for. A conifer won’t work as a mast for example. Fast grown confiers will rot like crazy.
They work well enough for situations where they are protected from the elements, which is why they are used in construction. But an old house made from slow growth, espicially a lot of hardwoods, won’t instantly rot when water gets in.
A conifer won’t work as a mast for example.
Acorn to Arabella made their mast from spruce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGac8Xa-i8A (skip to 1:53)
I don’t really know what I’m talking about, but I think an oak mast is more likely to break in a storm because it’s stiffer.
I should have said for warships to be extra clear as if you make something small enough even balsa wood works. Also, oak holds up better in a wet and salty environment.
They used oak because it was proven to work across centuries. They took down sails during storms to avoid damage to the mast, which would happen no matter what wood is used.
It’s late if you want to build a warship out of them. Environmentally though, it’s fantastic.
“I know not which weapons will be used to fight WWIII, but it’ll be sticks and stones in WWIV” to misquote whoever that was. Maybe it’s still a little early. heh
Use up all your precious resources in the dumbest way possible. I’m looking at y’all rare earth users!
Now live in pain.
I heard rare earth materials aren’t actually rare or uncommon, they’re just extremely difficult to process.
rare earth because there’s only one earth duhhhh
;-)
They are “rare” in the sense that they are never found in high concentrations, and yeah you have to process a lot of shit you dont want out in order to get them isolated. Other than that they are literally everywhere, just in tiny bits
Everyone laughed until the Danish armada blackened the horizon.
As it burned
This is also how England Good the New Forest.
i love reading these things about history. Too often we say glib things about a country or culture without knowing the history. We should all read history!
fun history fact, denmark has like the record in number of wars fought with other countries.
No that is not true. I think you are confusing it with the fact that Denmark and Sweden has the record for two countries which has been in war with each other the most.
I guarantee you that the UK for example was in more wars in the 19th century alone than Denmark has participated in for centuries.
aaaah yeah that’s probably it
Foster, don’t let USA hear this.
Do they have oil? No? Eh, fuck 'em
/s
I usually do not look at the history, but rather at the documentation.
Eh. We should pay a bit more attention to Historians, I suppose?
The thing about historic records is they were written by biased sources who can’t be vetted now. And, we’re constantly destroying records. Plus, the Historians themselves are biased.
All we can do now is pick an interpretation and either agree or disagree. The majority rules, but is not always right, as we know. You can learn history in classes, and the professor will profess. You can read the documents provided--those that are left, and translated to your language, and therein lies more issues--and come to your own conclusions, influenced by what your professor professed, of course. And, then you’ve Learned History, but what do you really know? And, so it goes with education. We can only learn from the past in the present. It’s not useless, of course, but it shouldn’t be made out to be more than it is. It’s not gospel, either.
Hell, we can’t even agree about things that happened in living memory, take the George Floyd situation.
Go ahead and downvote me.
In 1573 the Spanish navy besieged the lakes and rivers around Haarlem, eventually routing the Dutch independence movement in a prolonged sea battle.
Today it’s the location of Schilpol airport.
It’s umm, Schiphol and not Schilpol
It’s “um” not “umm”. /s
You’ve just got to plant them earlier, like 1000 years earlier
Me when playing Timberborn:
They should use some of it to rebuild a historical war ship for experimental research and coolness like they did for the French Hermione that carried General La Fayette to the USA in 1780 to join the American Revolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_frigate_Hermione_(2014)
Capitalism is slowly strangling any hope of this sort of thing. We need to rein in capitalism hard before we’ll get cool stuff like this again. If a case can’t be made for how a new expensive thing will make the rich richer, then it doesn’t happen.
Ehhh there’s plenty of cool stuff being built and done without real economic incentive. Just look at the number of old steam locomotives that are being restored, or the number of new-build steam locomotives. These are multimillion dollar projects with no conceivable return on investment, yet people keep doing them because these are cool things that can be done!
