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There are multiple few hundred acre sites scattered across new England and the Midwest that are specifically for maintenance of the Navy. They are mostly just used for The USS Constitution at this point, but she does get the best wood from those forests.
if you’ve never been on her, the Constitution is probably the ship i’ve been on that made it easiest to fall in love with sailing.
And the cannon shots every morning.
Is quick video by Half as Interesting about this topic :D
They’ve done better for us by just being trees than being turned into war ships, anyway.
Fun fact, these trees are still being turned into historic viking warships at Roskilde. If you are ever in the area pay them a visit, amazing museum 10/10!
Smart Danes. You never know when your country will need timber in large quantity. Back then, France king used up all our oaks to fail in naval wars. In 2027, our oak population still haven’t recovered.
Meanwhile Finnish forest are gueting destroyed for data center… *sight*
I believe France did the something similar. There was talk of using them to repair Notre Dame since there’s no more need for wooden ships anymore.
Of course, these plantations aren’t big enough to make up for the oaks that have been cut down over the past few centuries across all of Europe.
I won’t say. I’m not educated on the sudject. I just know that Louis the XIV infamously used up all the oak for it military ambition, that and all the country money and that today there is no oak older that 200 years old because of him specifically. That’s the extend of my knowledge on the subject.
how tf you posting this from 2027?
Time zones + daylight savings.
Also not being American helps, we’re frozen in 1942.
uh, american here, I think we’re trying to return to 1942, and on the wrong side at that. lol
1842
¿Por qué no los dos? heh
Yes, I did take a estimation that centuries of growth that hadn’t happened yet won’t happened for the two months and three days we have left for 2027. It is an estimation rather than a fact but I’m confident in it and will stick by it.
So… no time machine, then?
I’ve got a sofa where, if you sits long enough, you move to the futur. You have to be patient though if you want a big time lapse.
In fairness, Finland has more trees now than 100 years ago.
Part of it though is from not letting companies pull bullshit like Google did. Whether this fuckass government will do shit about it though…
TIL.
France also has more forest that ever in recorded history but most of them are exploited, the number of tree or the surface of the forest isn’t a metric for richness weither in biodiversity or in material quality. Let hope our ruler realised that and give the forest the very-long term strategy and forward planning it needs to thrive.
We do have les landes with a gazillion of imported super tall pine trees though! Planted by Napoleon if I got that correctly. Super nice in the summer.
Yes and a good use or such pine trees that are unfortunatly use in other places to replace forest with trees fields like it was the same things.
Fortunatly that has happened near my home yet but what I hear about l’Ouest is assez inquiétant.
That is not late. Oaks are slow growing trees, a timeline of 200 years is expected for them.
Think about how long it took to grow when carving wood. Then you fuck it up and ruin it. A tree older than the oldest relative you can remember died for this and you ruined it.
At some point I do want to buy some proper wood rather than using broken fence panels, but then it costs money.
Wait till you spend a hundred bucks on a small piece of rosewood to build a guitar bridge and cock it up.
This seems oddly specific. Someone you know?
or so I’m told …
This is why I only use fast-growing, purpose-harvested pine.
This, and the “costs money” part. You either have an entire lumber mill in your garage, or you buy the expensive, pre-milled stuff. There’s no way wood furniture is cheap. It’s like if they can’t sell us the finished furniture, they’re going to get their profit from the materials to build it.
Fuck Capitalism, and the billionaires who leech from us.
A connoisseur of crap wood I see. Those “fast growing, purpose grown” trees make the worst lumber and boards. Just look at the loose wide grain of the wood.
But, if you like that stuff, I got 80 acres of red pine I’ll sell you.
Technically you can mill and shape lumber by hand with handsaws and like a jack plane. It does take awhile, though
Given I want to make small things I have wondered about using firewood. Probably a lot of work to saw it down though and often has cracks from drying quickly.
There are some fallen trees in the park. Could I just take them?
No you probably can’t take them. They belong to whoever “owns” the park.
There are some fallen trees in the park. Could I just take them?
That’s highly variable depending on country and local law. Usually no that wouldn’t be legal.
In places like National parks or conservation areas I’d encourage you to leave them alone. A dead tree is part of the natural cycle.
A city park where they will mulch it up tomorrow definitely ecologically fine to take
You also need to let the wood cure.
i think this is also why conifers are so popular for timber these days, grows much faster. AFAIK something like pine takes maybe 40 years until it can be harvested.
Check out “daisugi,” a Japanese pollarding technique that produces usable timber even faster (basically having one rootstock grow multiple main trunks). IIRC in the 1700’s they were harvesting pine every 25 years
However, it ain’t no replacement for oak. Does smell a lot better, though
40 year mature conifers also have completely different properties and is subpar for the things oak is great for. A conifer won’t work as a mast for example. Fast grown confiers will rot like crazy.
They work well enough for situations where they are protected from the elements, which is why they are used in construction. But an old house made from slow growth, espicially a lot of hardwoods, won’t instantly rot when water gets in.
A conifer won’t work as a mast for example.
Acorn to Arabella made their mast from spruce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGac8Xa-i8A (skip to 1:53)
I don’t really know what I’m talking about, but I think an oak mast is more likely to break in a storm because it’s stiffer.
Douglas fir are historically popular for masts as well because they grow so straight and tall.
I should have said for warships to be extra clear as if you make something small enough even balsa wood works. Also, oak holds up better in a wet and salty environment.
They used oak because it was proven to work across centuries. They took down sails during storms to avoid damage to the mast, which would happen no matter what wood is used.
Spruce is a great material for masts because it’s light and strong. Fir might be appropriate, too. Avoid pine, it’s knotty and rots faster.
It’s late if you want to build a warship out of them. Environmentally though, it’s fantastic.
“I know not which weapons will be used to fight WWIII, but it’ll be sticks and stones in WWIV” to misquote whoever that was. Maybe it’s still a little early. heh
The original quote was Einstein, btw
“The original quote was Einstein, btw”
— Abraham Lincoln, probably
And thank you. I’d forgotten the source, only remembered it through Cards Against Humanity. hehe
I wonder how long it will take to rebuild. This was like 19 years ago.
Everyone laughed until the Danish armada blackened the horizon.
As it burned
Jack Aubrey would like to know your location, my dear.
i love reading these things about history. Too often we say glib things about a country or culture without knowing the history. We should all read history!
I usually do not look at the history, but rather at the documentation.
fun history fact, denmark has like the record in number of wars fought with other countries.
No that is not true. I think you are confusing it with the fact that Denmark and Sweden has the record for two countries which has been in war with each other the most.
I guarantee you that the UK for example was in more wars in the 19th century alone than Denmark has participated in for centuries.
aaaah yeah that’s probably it
Foster, don’t let USA hear this.
Do they have oil? No? Eh, fuck 'em
/s
Eh. We should pay a bit more attention to Historians, I suppose?
The thing about historic records is they were written by biased sources who can’t be vetted now. And, we’re constantly destroying records. Plus, the Historians themselves are biased.
All we can do now is pick an interpretation and either agree or disagree. The majority rules, but is not always right, as we know. You can learn history in classes, and the professor will profess. You can read the documents provided--those that are left, and translated to your language, and therein lies more issues--and come to your own conclusions, influenced by what your professor professed, of course. And, then you’ve Learned History, but what do you really know? And, so it goes with education. We can only learn from the past in the present. It’s not useless, of course, but it shouldn’t be made out to be more than it is. It’s not gospel, either.
Hell, we can’t even agree about things that happened in living memory, take the George Floyd situation.
Go ahead and downvote me.
Actually, if you study history, one of the most important elements is studying historiography. So no, you don’t just get given facts by some professor and have to judge for yourself.
In 1573 the Spanish navy besieged the lakes and rivers around Haarlem, eventually routing the Dutch independence movement in a prolonged sea battle.
Today it’s the location of Schilpol airport.
It’s umm, Schiphol and not Schilpol
It’s “um” not “umm”. /s
Use up all your precious resources in the dumbest way possible. I’m looking at y’all rare earth users!
Now live in pain.
I heard rare earth materials aren’t actually rare or uncommon, they’re just extremely difficult to process.
Because they behave similarly electrically, chemically and dynamically by mass. So all the various ways of processing materials then always have a difficult path to separating the elements that are close to one another. Plus they’re actually rare so only found in high enough concentration to make any economical sense getting from specific areas until there’s a big enough market.
They are “rare” in the sense that they are never found in high concentrations, and yeah you have to process a lot of shit you dont want out in order to get them isolated. Other than that they are literally everywhere, just in tiny bits
rare earth because there’s only one earth duhhhh
;-)
You’ve just got to plant them earlier, like 1000 years earlier
They should use some of it to rebuild a historical war ship for experimental research and coolness like they did for the French Hermione that carried General La Fayette to the USA in 1780 to join the American Revolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_frigate_Hermione_(2014)
Capitalism is slowly strangling any hope of this sort of thing. We need to rein in capitalism hard before we’ll get cool stuff like this again. If a case can’t be made for how a new expensive thing will make the rich richer, then it doesn’t happen.
Ehhh there’s plenty of cool stuff being built and done without real economic incentive. Just look at the number of old steam locomotives that are being restored, or the number of new-build steam locomotives. These are multimillion dollar projects with no conceivable return on investment, yet people keep doing them because these are cool things that can be done!
L’Hermione was rebuilt with public money and sailed all over the world. But after many years it needs costly reparations, it has financial troubles and it’s looking for private sponsors to help.
Me when playing Timberborn:
Someone has to clean up the silly hooman’s mess!
This is also how England Good the New Forest.
