Carbohydrates and fibre aren’t essential nutrients (I know it sounds crazy, but look it up, even the national academy of medicine agrees.)
But try to even say this on here and watch the downvotes pour in. In fact, look at how many downvotes this comment is going to get.
Frankly, I would only downvote your comment, because there’s the anti-scientific carnivore community on here and while your take is technically correct, it just sounds like it leads into their horseshit.
Like, no, fibre isn’t a nutrient, but that’s the point. It being indigestible to humans is what makes it great.
It fills up your stomach without adding calories. It physically blocks your stomach acid from digesting food, therefore slowing sugar intake and avoiding excess sugar being put into fat on your hips. And on the way out, it scrubs your insides, which also seems to have tons of benefits. And it just makes your shit slide out very easily, which is also great.
Similarly with carbohydrates. No, they’re not essential, because our bodies are excellent at survival and can also use proteins or fat for energy. But them being essential would only be relevant, if we’re avoiding them completely, for which there’s no reason. Moderation and wholemeal is advisable, sure, but entirely avoiding food with carbohydrates limits your selection and could therefore deprive you of other nutrients.
the anti-scientific carnivore community on here and while your take is technically correct, it just sounds like it leads into their horseshit.
Hello! You summoned us! What papers would you like us to read? I find the people on that community are highly literate and willing to read any evidence for or against. Science means sometimes your beliefs get challenged, and possibly changed.
Right, good that you’re here. I phrased it specifically as “anti-scientific”, because of this post of yours:
That’s a strawman argument. The comic makes up a situation that doesn’t happen to rail against scientific consensus. If you find a natural scientist claiming “All X is Y” with full confidence and without using a ton of qualifiers, then don’t talk to them.
Similarly, reading individual scientific papers isn’t very useful. Talk to a doctor for nutrition advice. They spend years learning a condensate of what science has figured out. You’re not gonna catch that up by reading a selection of papers.
a natural scientist claiming “All X is Y” with full confidence and without using a ton of qualifiers, then don’t talk to them.
Great, I agree, common ground.
reading individual scientific papers isn’t very useful. Talk to a doctor for nutrition advice.
Most medical doctors don’t actually get nutritional training outside of tube-feeding techniques. So they will need to either read the literature themselves, or give you their best approximation of a healthy diet based on their biases. https://discuss.online/post/40032579
I would absolutely expect a doctor to have a reasonable understanding of nutrition. It’s the source of many illnesses.
But they can also send a blood sample or a stool sample off to a lab and tell you where you might have deficiencies.
Which I can definitely recommend. I thought, I was doing really well on nutrition and then got told I have two critical vitamin deficiencies. So, I received an extremely high dosage for a few weeks and am supplementing now.
Well, or they can send you off to an actual expert on nutrition. Your general practitioner is just the entrypoint for the whole healthcare system.
I would absolutely expect a doctor to have a reasonable understanding of nutrition. It’s the source of many illnesses.
That is a reasonable expectation, however the training doesn’t cover it (see my article referenced earlier, or just ask your own doctor how my hours of nutritional training they have).
Well, my current doctor actually has somewhat of a specialization in nutrition. But I’m also not from the US, so we’re probably talking about different things, if we get down to these details…
They’re not essential for survival, I’ll give you that. Still, I think low carb diets resemble vegan diets a lot; you will be missing some micronutrients for which you have to adjust. They also resemble vegan diets in how certain proponents seem to be on a mission to promote them.
They also resemble vegan diets in how certain proponents seem to be on a mission to promote them.
Pretty much any eating pattern other then the standard western diet will see improvements, people get excited about a tool that fixed whatever problem they had.
Carbohydrates and fibre aren’t essential nutrients (I know it sounds crazy, but look it up, even the national academy of medicine agrees.) But try to even say this on here and watch the downvotes pour in. In fact, look at how many downvotes this comment is going to get.
Frankly, I would only downvote your comment, because there’s the anti-scientific carnivore community on here and while your take is technically correct, it just sounds like it leads into their horseshit.
Like, no, fibre isn’t a nutrient, but that’s the point. It being indigestible to humans is what makes it great.
It fills up your stomach without adding calories. It physically blocks your stomach acid from digesting food, therefore slowing sugar intake and avoiding excess sugar being put into fat on your hips. And on the way out, it scrubs your insides, which also seems to have tons of benefits. And it just makes your shit slide out very easily, which is also great.
Similarly with carbohydrates. No, they’re not essential, because our bodies are excellent at survival and can also use proteins or fat for energy. But them being essential would only be relevant, if we’re avoiding them completely, for which there’s no reason. Moderation and wholemeal is advisable, sure, but entirely avoiding food with carbohydrates limits your selection and could therefore deprive you of other nutrients.
Hello! You summoned us! What papers would you like us to read? I find the people on that community are highly literate and willing to read any evidence for or against. Science means sometimes your beliefs get challenged, and possibly changed.
Right, good that you’re here. I phrased it specifically as “anti-scientific”, because of this post of yours:
That’s a strawman argument. The comic makes up a situation that doesn’t happen to rail against scientific consensus. If you find a natural scientist claiming “All X is Y” with full confidence and without using a ton of qualifiers, then don’t talk to them.
Similarly, reading individual scientific papers isn’t very useful. Talk to a doctor for nutrition advice. They spend years learning a condensate of what science has figured out. You’re not gonna catch that up by reading a selection of papers.
This situation does occur. As an example, look up the diet-heart hypothesis, and “the French paradox.”
Great, I agree, common ground.
Most medical doctors don’t actually get nutritional training outside of tube-feeding techniques. So they will need to either read the literature themselves, or give you their best approximation of a healthy diet based on their biases. https://discuss.online/post/40032579
I would absolutely expect a doctor to have a reasonable understanding of nutrition. It’s the source of many illnesses.
But they can also send a blood sample or a stool sample off to a lab and tell you where you might have deficiencies.
Which I can definitely recommend. I thought, I was doing really well on nutrition and then got told I have two critical vitamin deficiencies. So, I received an extremely high dosage for a few weeks and am supplementing now.
Well, or they can send you off to an actual expert on nutrition. Your general practitioner is just the entrypoint for the whole healthcare system.
That is a reasonable expectation, however the training doesn’t cover it (see my article referenced earlier, or just ask your own doctor how my hours of nutritional training they have).
Well, my current doctor actually has somewhat of a specialization in nutrition. But I’m also not from the US, so we’re probably talking about different things, if we get down to these details…
They’re not essential for survival, I’ll give you that. Still, I think low carb diets resemble vegan diets a lot; you will be missing some micronutrients for which you have to adjust. They also resemble vegan diets in how certain proponents seem to be on a mission to promote them.
Pretty much any eating pattern other then the standard western diet will see improvements, people get excited about a tool that fixed whatever problem they had.