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If Laibach still had the boisterous balls of their youth, they would start a ‘Kill Palestinians’ tour and give concerts exclusively at venues that turned Macklemore down.
Based Macklemore making and shaming
Nobody is trying to silence you Macklemore, throw all of the benefit concerts that you want all over the Earth.
But realize that the USA founded Israel, and a lot of Israelis are also Americans, and a lot of Americans are Israelis, and you’re not entitled to use US arenas.
There are thousands of venues in the USA that you can have concerts in, don’t act like you can’t have a benefit concert in the USA.
But realize that the USA founded Israel
Thanks for admitting that it’s an invented fake country.
It’s actually not censorship when the Free Market decides you’re not viable. Imagine if it was the Chinese saying someone was too critical of their foreign policy to play. There would be a media blitz from The Guardian to The National Review. You realize how opportunistic this all is?
Read please
No one is entitled to use private arenas unless by contract, but let’s not pretend it’s not the most scalable way to hold a benefit tour.
Climate Pledge Arena
i hate america so much
Anticipating “bombed to volcanic glass arena” if and when America gets what’s long overdue to it
It’s an Amazon subsidiary specifically for green washing so it’s even better!
It’s really sad how only one of those arenas is actually named for something other than a sponsor. Madison Square Garden was named after Madison Square, which was named after James Madison, one of the US founding fathers. The original was on Madison avenue. That’s a solid name.
The rest of them… who knows where they are. These places change names all the time.
The ridiculously named “Climate Pledge Arena” is in Seattle. It used to be called KeyArena, because a bank named KeyBank bought the naming rights. Before that it was the “Seattle Center Coliseum”, before that it was “Washington State Coliseum”. It’s currently Amazon that owns the naming rights – you know, one of the many hyperscalers building AI datacenters like crazy. I don’t know which part of their climate pledge covers the building of datacenters, but it seems ballsy to make a pledge to destroy the climate and brag about it.
Honestly, these sound like a joke. Intuit Dome? Crypto.com Arena? Macklemore could have slipped a “ChatGPT Forum” or “Yuga Labs Arena” in there and nobody would have noticed. I certainly don’t know if the “Kia Forum” is real.
I’ve lived near Toronto my whole life, and SkyDome was such a great name for the stadium. The roof opens! SkyDome! Then a company bought it, and now it’s just “CompanyName Centre”. I’m still pissed about it.
Relatedly, there was also a venue called the Air Canada Centre, or ACC. That one was technically named after the airline, Air Canada, but when I was younger I hadn’t heard of the airline, and “Air Canada Centre” on its own sounded cool enough it just made sense. Like Air Jordans or Airwalk, it felt like we were putting Air on stuff, and this was in Canada, so Air Canada Centre. It wasn’t until they changed it to be named after some other company that I was like “why would they do that, the name was already… wait what the fuck…? It was always corporate?”
It’s still SkyDome to me.
There’s an outdoor amphitheater that opened in the 80s outside of Boston that was originally called Great Woods, a pretty good name. Then it became [company name] Center for a few name changes (it’s currently xfinity, ugh). I’ve never heard anyone old enough to remember call it anything but Great Woods.
I think most people do this in general, even when the name was originally corporate to begin with. Tons of people still say Sears Tower, for example.
I’m glad he named the venues that turned it down.
I have just gone from someone who would never go to a Macklemore concert to someone who will pay top dollar for Macklemore tickets. I don’t even know what genre this is. Kidsbop or something? Who cares? This guy has earned my deep respect.
We need more major artists to use their platform for good the way this man is doing. Macklemore is setting an example and deserves massive public support.
If he gets blacklisted by LiveNation (which is what this sounds like), and if other major artists decide to also follow suit, wrecking a monopoly could become a nice side-effect to helping stop a genocide.
it’s not my thing, but I genuinely enjoy some of his tracks. here’s a couple of samples:
I’d call it funky melodic hip hop. Kinda like Outkast, Jurassic 5 or Blackaliscious to my ear, but I’m not intensely familiar with it.
Your description just made me interested in more than the politics.
You must’ve heard Thrift Shop when it was topping the charts, right? As much as the song was played so much that everyone got sick of it, it was for a damn good reason. The beat’s a banger, the lyrics and video are funny. Though the beat itself is produced by his former musical partner Ryan Lewis. Macklemore wrote the lyrics though.
Not all of his songs are as memorable as the really big ones, but the man definitely has talent for entertainment, with or without politics being involved.
Yeah, he’s good. This boost he’s getting is well-deserved, musically. Plus his songs back up his statements, he’s not just virtue-signaling or bandwagoning. The Heist is a great album.
Sounds good. Count me in.
“Climate Pledge Arena” as an official name for a stadium sounds like a cruel joke
The name is disgusting and malicious greenwashing.
For the company’s 2019 annual general meeting (AGM), 28 Amazon employees filed a shareholder proposal asking the company to create a climate change plan; over 7,500 Amazon workers signed a letter in support of the proposals. Shareholders voted it down. In advance of a September 2019 tech industry walkout to protest inaction towards climate change, over 1,500 Amazon employees called for the company to commit to achieve zero emissions by 2030, among other asks. The day before the walkout, Amazon made a climate pledge which included being carbon neutral by 2040.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_and_trade_unions#Climate_change
it’s amazon, so it’s a sad bit of cognitive dissonance.
Maybe they pledged to increase it.
Would you believe they have obnoxiously bright lights on all night
Orphan’s Own old timey orphan crushing machines.
“If it ain’t Orphan’s Own, don’t crush an orphan with it!”
And just look what the people have to say…
“For us, it’s always been orphan’s own or nothing, it takes longer, sure, but we’d rather just let those sad little fucker’s starve if we can’t crush them with the best machine”
-Departing US Senator from Maine, Losin’ Susan Collins
“I pledge to make a pile of money so large it becomes impossible to climb-it”
Ironically, the public transit to the Crypto.com Arena is excellent.
Climate Pledge Arena is in Seattle, his hometown. But he knows the area and if he really wants to rile up some resistance do a word of mouth diy concert in Cal Anderson. Also the Climate Pledge Arena has their lights on 24/7 and this has nothing to do with anything but I want to know how much electricity they blow per year while sitting unused
Amazon shat out the whole bullshit “Climate Pledge” only after they illegally fired the employees, one of whom was Emily Cunningham, who spearheaded the internal movement to push the company to do better on climate.
“Climate Pledge” is a fucking lie. I’d rather the arena stayed named after a fucking bank since that’s at least less offensive and dishonest
They have pledged to ruin the climate by using as much power as possible?
He does surprise small venues around here sometimes too.
The City of Seattle owns the shell and the 2 other groups lease and operate it.
The City of Seattle owns the shell and the 2 other groups lease and operate it.
Sounds like that needs to be voided due to the manager’s breach. It is not acceptable for a public property to be misused for bigotry and discrimination. Even if the contract doesn’t have some explicit clause addressing it, it can’t supersede the law and the City of Seattle cannot allow itself to be party to that behavior.
Oh, I can also see him popping up in Portland as well. I’ll keep my eye out.
You really gotta! I nearly hit him with my truck in NE PDX a few years back —when he darted between two parked cars just after the intersection!
When I looked in my mirrors to see who the insanely lucky fucker was, I couldn’t believe I’d almost killed Macklemore! To his credit, he did look back to shout an apology and wave thanks, before running across campus.
Still, though. Watch out! 😅😬
Climate pledge arena is the first net zero arena though. It offsets stuff by buying renewable energy credits from Seattle city light and also solar arrays and whatnot. But still, it could save about 5% more power by turning the lights off.
“net zero” through carbon credits is a joke
I don’t see how the amount of electricity climate pledge arena uses accomplishing absolutely nothing is relevant.
I don’t see
No you can see, because the lights are always on. That’s the problem.
also I haven’t been to Seattle in the last decade.
but those lights are probably pretty bright. No way you haven’t seen them
not directly.
I have been informed by conservatives that Seattle, like Portland, has been completely burned down and demolished by “violent libs”. Nothing to see anymore. What a shame.
shit, sorry, might’ve been my fault. I am the queen of international anarchism.
Yeah but there are people inside all the time even at night every day. Of course they could cut half the lights but its not like some huge empty place with no one at all.
is relevant
It isn’t. They even said so, “… has nothing to do with anything”
right. its fine. only an eco-terrorist would worry about this kind of thing, and I’m not a terrorist so I’m jot worrying. tell me, are you a terrorist?
Call me a terrorist, but a place named climate pledge arena should’t be that wasteful with electricity.
The person you’re arguing with is a troll. In another thread they were responding to the recent election results by… advocating for senseless violence. I shit you not.
And then they had the audacity of accusing me of wanting to basically sacrifice babies because I had the gall to say that nobody wants their filth.
They’re being disingenuous and just want to stir shit up.
well that just seems anti-freedom, you damn terrorist. you’re gonna have to burn a lot of trash to get over those allegations.
The terrorism is the climate disaster we are barreling towards. But those same people have taught your baby brain the thought terminating cliche of “terrorist” so you turn your attention toward those that recognize the danger.
I’m sorry, but this dumb shit just really rubs me the wrong way.
This guy has been trolling for a few days now, I’d just block and move on
yes, all satire irony and complex ideas are trolling. anything not immediately legible as agreeing with you in a straightforward earnest way you can identify with is trolling. god I’m such a troll.
complex ideas
The complex ideas:
It stopped being funny to me when “satire” just became how a lot of real people speak.
wow, being rubbed the wrong way by asking if you’re a terrorist? must be a terrorist. or maybe a shark, but I’m afraid of sharks so they’re also terrorists.
Planet’s dyin’, Cloud.
Fuck 'em. Sing in the streets!
fascist fucks have no honor
Freedom of Speech and whatnot in the US unlike those terrible places in Europe where you are immediately arrested for saying anything … /s
Who says you need an arena? Go for the American way. Offer a concert at a random dive bar that can only hold 30 people. Then just charge an obscene amount per ticket.
No. That wouldn’t affect these corporate arena fucks and would raise the market rate of bar shows in general and turn it into another empty scene of influencer attention grab. Keep billboard bands out of bars, there is a musical ecosystem that already exists there that they have no business overtaking. This would also be a fold as far as the actual issue involved goes, these arena owners need to be put on blast, you can’t fight that fight by taking your toys and going somewhere else where they can completely ignore you and keep doing as they do.
anyone who ever attends an event at any of these venues needs to be shamed. maybe punched and spit on.
anyone who owns any of these arenas is a rich asshole who’s probably funding a genocide in addition to keeping its victims from receiving aid. they need to be killed. their heirs need to have everything daddy gave them clawed back and given to the victims.
Yeah, the common people are the real evil in this story. 🙄
I think that’s how you create a conscience in them. shame works for making people avoid stuff.
No you don’t create class conscience by spitting on those that know nothing. You do the opposite actually
I have tried asking strangers to spit on me once. that got expensive fast, and I don’t think it got much consciousness raising done.
It is not.
well, I beg to differ. if you’re nice they think you’re weak. you can be logical and try to explain but you can’t string multiple ideas together without triggering defensiveness.
I guess you can start a cult/clique but that feels way grosser and less morally okay than people spitting on and punching each other.
shame doesn’t make people do things, but it does make them stop doing things.
It also makes them resent you and the point you’re making.
it should, but it doesn’t.
shame as a social tool to control public opinion is an incredible power that is hardly used in western societies.
in Japan public public shame is so powerful it will make people literally kill themselves.
only an idiot would think shame doesn’t form public opinion.
I invite you to put that theory to the test at your earliest convenience. Let’s see that shame in action.
do you even anarchy bro?
the “common people” are always the evil in every story.
the blind masses that ignore critical thought and assume that the greater authority will somehow figure it out.
99.9% of people have no clue about what’s going on here
that’s why the shaming and spitting!
Oh yes the least productive way to get your point across.
You educate the unaware, you spit on the aware that don’t care. Learn the difference
you can educate the unaware
used to be a thing. was kind of my entire shit. have you tried recently? that feature is deprecated.
Based on your inclination to spit first I’m not surprised it went poorly.
People appreciate when you swallow
yes I have always thought the things I think. a human is not a dynamic living thing, but a static eternal unchanging object.
Sometimes it’s the only location to host your event with a large crowd. Sometimes the most liberal bands perform there, and they’re so big it’s the only one in the city to host that many people.
At least for climate pledge arena, they regularly make sure to donate to renewable energy, the local tribes, and the community.
if I hit you and dpit on you will you promise to stay away from these places?
Um. Yes, please.
Do you take Venmo?
you’re paying me by staying the fuck away and being visibly ashamed when you go through that part of town. no money required.
Yes, Mrs. Daddy. I am ashamed.
Look I support Macklemore and his views .
But I want to see ticket sales data. I believe msg that he wasn’t filling enough seats.
The European shows apparently sold out and the venues he was set to play in the US are of comparable size to the European ones, I can’t see filling seats being his issue.
“Look, I support Macklemore and his views, I just support billionaires and their capital more.”
Person wants more data.
Lemmy: CaPItaLiSM!
Close, except the alternating caps indicates sarcasm, my point was sincere.
I’m the one being sarcastic. Not every bad thing in the world is capitalism. Besides, if you’re American you are under an oligarchy, not capitalism. If you’re in the EU or the like, congrats, you have capitalism with a mostly sane government and social safety nets.
Then the whole thing should have been alternating caps, not just the part where you were fake-quoting me. The American oligarchy is a direct result of unfettered capitalism, they’re anything but mutually exclusive. Idk what else to blame when their argument was “it won’t make enough money”.
Do you think the venues turned him down because they thought the show would be too small? I don’t have data on hand, but word on the street is that these shows have been jam out.
Chase Center is local to me, and I can attest to the fact that they regularly allow shows there that are significantly less popular than Macklemore would be.
This decision was very clearly not based on ticket sales.
I was asking the other guy if that was his take, because it doesn’t seem to make sense.
