Having lived in China for a bit, it’s literally fine depending on who is doing the surveillance. Like I prefer no surveillance, obviously, but unless you genuinely mean harm and as long as the entity doing said surveillance does not genuinely mean harm is a net positive for society.
It’s objectively good at cutting down crime (though not as much as education and poverty reduction), it’s incredibly useful to reduce corruption and false convictions, and it sets a record, good or bad, that is objective (or was before the invention of AI videos).
I mean, that’s kinda the whole point about anything that steals your agency, If I could be 100% sure no doubt in my mind that the entity/person that recorder all my data from birth to death would never use it for anything that could harm me, yea record even my gooning sessions, my psychological breakdowns, all my breakups etc etc etc
Thing is you can’t really make that assumption in this world, also because you not only need your current overlords to be 100% good, but every single new overlord you are going to get in the future (at least for the next few decades while you are still alive)
fisting, it will be a lot like fisting. uncomfortable but you’ll get used to it.
following on the analogy, what lube-like policy you think could end up being introduced to facilitate such a process? (if any)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_effect
I have noticed my behaviour being affected for several years now.
could i ask what you do/avoid doing? im curious (ofc if you feel comfy sharing)
Just look at China. Subdued is the word.
Funnily enough:
My mom told me she’d block me if I sent the xijinping jokes to her when she visited china.
Anyways, even after they returned I got in an argument with my brother so i send anti-xi stuff to the family Wechat group to troll them and my brother left the group and blocked me. Last I heard he was searching for women in China to marry so thats probably why, he doesnt wanna lose the 1.4 billion population market of potential “marriage candidates”. (seriously he could just marry a Taiwanese, since he’s obsessed with traditional chinese characters)
My wechat account is still active btw, I think diasporas get more leeway vs a local Chinese.
Lolol
YOLO
Edit: For context the argument was that he was keep saying annoying shit so I told him to shut up. And he pulled out the “freedom of speech card” (which doesnt even apply here since this is him being annoying and triggering my anxiety, effectively harassment, nothing to do with government trampling rights), so I responded by saying to most sterotypically “Pro America” rant on wechat, so then my brother blocked me. Oh I thought he loved free speech, why be so scared of CCP and block me?
It’s already changing lives. I did some stupid shit in my teens, I would hate if it was recorded. Teens now have that knowledge that anything can be recorded and shared easily with the world.
I don’t think they’ll do any of the dumb stuff I did at parties.
when underage i did ONE video call with an adult, to think that might be somewhere out there… man that’s funny
There is an increasing demand for tech-free spaces.
I envision that we will collectively develop increasingly stringent etiquette regarding when it is appropriate to use (or even carry) communications tech. E.g. venues with a phone locker at the entrance. Also simply shunning public use.do you know if you can have tech offline being 100% secure it won’t connect to anything? like foiling out a room (faraday) and then using tech inside it to like listen to music or play LAN, i get that phones could still record so i would still have those outside tho
Yes a Faraday venue I like it. Could even get attendees to walk through an emp to enter. I suppose people with vital tech like pacemakers might want to ask for an exemption
Yeah, that sounds like a pain, as you can’t check that (you wont slice them open), but % of pacemaker/vital tech should be super small
Internet Archive folks just did a podcast episode about this: Mass Surveillance and the Loss of Fun. Basically everyone is on stage putting on an act all the time.
Thank you so much, I’ve been looking for frameworks on what tf to do about it, like how to live my life now, I’ve been depressed for a bit so I havent left the house much in the last few years and now that this update hit the server i dont know what the best moves are, its a totally novel situation for me, i read the panopticon but not much more than that, i literally dont know how life will turn out now
It could be a great equalizer if everyone was just as under the microscope as everybody else. The power-tripping types will never allow that, however.
I wish…
look at the UK, CHINA. thats why flock, AXON, motorola is hastily trying to deploy AI cameras, so by then it will be next to impossible to take them all down.
Yeah, but how do you think it will change the way you or society at general for that matter will live life?
Think carefully before you answer. They are watching.
It affects my associations in that I don’t use some of the applications and platforms they, the larger society, use to interact with each other and also that I am reluctant to even contact people at all if they have spyware or LLMs in their phones, cars, computers, etc.
As for if it will affect the way in which people already under heavy surveillance interact with each other, I expect psyops to be extremely effective currently but clearly not absolute as demonstrated by fascists and China losing the US election.
What is a content algorithm if not surveilling and studying civilians to push chosen content in front of them and control how they act, what they buy, where they travel, etc.
Double Think
mind explaining double think? i read the book back on highschool, but i never understood it more than like doublethink is a contradictory way of thinking so its easier to accept nonsensical or paradoxical things “dad loves me so much” - “dad beats the shit out of me if i cook the food to long” living together, something like that?
Been about 15 years since I read it but that’s what I recall. Thinking the opposite of what you originally think and being able to delude yourself into believing both are true. Like brainwashing yourself into being a better liar so you don’t get your cheeks clapped for thought crime.
That makes sense
