Recently this narrative of CIA involvement has been bolstered by some declassified CIA documents where they mention financially supporting some Hungarian anti-USSR organisation.

On closer inspection it turned out that the document was written like a decade after the Hungarian uprising, the organisation was located inside the US and was made up of emigrants. Zero actual connection to the uprising. But it doesn’t matter to them. Multiple times I’ve seen tankies simply say that any thin indication of CIA involvement in this sort of events is good enough because it’s already been proven that CIA supported anti-communist movements, so you can just blanket assume they were involved in any case you want.

As a person from ex-Yugoslavia (Croatia), I also have similar experiences to yours. Lots of tankies have this weird narrative where the crucial fault for the breakup of YU is in the USA and MMF, especially in some imposed economic policy that was actually in effect just for a few months and had zero chance to substantially change the development of the situation. Literally nobody in the region, not even hard-line communists, thinks this could be an important factor in the breakup of the federation. It’s simply Americans who are trying to make everything revolve around themselves, as if they can’t imagine other nations having their own opinions and perspectives.

Imagine a group of 10 people. 5 men, 5 women. There’s one bisexual guy who’s in a relationship with a woman. Realistically, how many people can he cheat with?

Please rethink the math here. Consider actual human population.

Toppi is a genius.

I’m wondering how much % of FOSS software is done with some degree of AI input today. It seems to be becoming unavoidable.

Lyrics annotations on Genius always sound like a tryhard school essay, lol

AI hallucinations are a waste of time.

Sooo, your view is that Dessalines, Davel, Yoghtos and other Marxist-Leninist nuts are all just non-Russians accidentally perpetuating Russian propaganda which actually isn’t even provably Russian propaganda?

You’re still ascribing me ideas that I didn’t say or even outright denied (particularly this nonsense: accidentally perpetuating Russian propaganda which actually isn’t even provably Russian propaganda), and you’re not even trying to corrobate your previous claims. It’s actually crazy how hard you’re ignoring the things I wrote even on points where we agree. You do have to understand that US is a very different country from yours and you can’t project all of your local issues onto it. US’s relationship to and perspective on Russia is different from yours in Finland, and just as their right-wingers could have latched onto one strain of Russian propaganda, so could their Marxists; you likely won’t find clear parallels to their logic in your home country due to different history, political climate, proximity to Russia, etc. But you have to understand that in different countries different political positions can arise due to different circumstances.

Oh man I should reduce smoking you caused me to almost puke because I laughed so hard I started coughing and nearly couldn’t breathe

That sounds very worrying, I hope you’re just joking here.

How likely do you think that is?

Um, what? Did I say anything regarding your own nationality? Why in the world would I suspect you’re Russian, why would you have to prove to anyone you’re not?

You have some issues bigger than some pro-Russian useful idiots on a small forum. I won’t reply anymore because I don’t want to make you puke, I wish you all the best.

Dessalines, who is one of the developers of Lemmy, and a fluent Russian speaker

As I said, I’ve read through many of Dessalines’ comments (on Lemmy and Reddit) at one point, and saw no indication he’s anything other than American. Are both of these Russian speakers, according to you, or is the latter part just in reference to Davel?

Perhaps Russian propaganda doesn’t even exist, it’s all just “progressive social media posts”?

Of course not. As I pointed out, once again, the very blog linked by Davel in OP’s screenshot is by a self-admitted right-winger/pro-Trumper who has been reporting on the failures of Ukraine and “glorious advancements” of Russia for years, it could be a textbook example of the horseshoe theory. You don’t have to explain to me that Davel is being disingenuous, he openly said he wants Russia to conquer Ukraine because Russia isn’t imperialist, unlike the US, I don’t need any additional convincing regarding him.

How many Americans you know of who learned to speak fluent Russian in their adult years?

None personally, since I don’t talk with Americans except on forums online, though obviously I’ve read texts by a number of them (scholarly writing on Russian language and literature) and have seen and interacted with them on Russian-learning communities online. If you find that to be relevant. Do you know Russian well enough to judge his fluency anyway?

implying defense of Russia

I really don’t believe you could look through my comment history, as you claimed, see my recent post with Semyon Skrepetsky’s painting, and say I’m in any way a defender of Russia. It looks like you’re just looking for enemies.

Lemmy isn’t indexed on Google very well, and finding people’s accounts that way is nigh impossible. I found his older inactive account on Lemmygrad and that’s it, and there’s no Russian there as far as I could see. Of course, maybe he deleted the comments in question, etc.

If you do run across the pics, even long after this discussion is over, don’t hesitate to post them, I’ll be thankful.

What makes you believe he isn’t Russian?

1. I believe that the majority of Lemmy users are Americans (the majority of discourse is US-centred, non-English communities except German ones are effectively nonexistent).

2. Davel’s rhetoric partly aligns with Russian propaganda, but its pseudo-leftist bent is not really found in Russian propaganda or in Russian popular discourse.

But Davel is, I know that for a fact.

I again would ask you, if possible, to find the screenshots. I don’t think it’s impossible, I just think it’s less likely than him being American. Solid evidence can decisively end this dispute.

you’re a shitstirrer who got angry that Davel got talked about

Literally my first comment ITT was pointing out the article he linked is written by a pro-Trump blogger. If you think that was meant to be in any way a defense of Davel, that’s just crazy.

The rest is random accusations with no heads or tails that I don’t think can be meaningfully responded to. I have one alternative profile (now unused) which is linked in my profile description.

Why would you question something so clear and simple, unless you mean to dissuade people from the notion that Russian has no organised propaganda online

I literally asked “Do you believe Americans are immune to Russian propaganda?”, which presupposes that Russian propaganda exists (because it exists, the article linked by the user there being an example) and that Americans are falling for it. Learn to read instead of inventing stuff that I didn’t say.

But you’re just a shitstirrer, that’s obvious from your profile.

Huh?

So you just can’t recognise Russian propaganda spread purposefully when you see it, no matter what?

I can both recognise Russian propaganda and know that not everyone who spreads it is personally Russian.

If you can find those screenshots of Davel’s Russian comments, I’d seriously like to see them. I came across people on Lemmy claiming even Dessalines could be Russian, yet there’s no proof of that, even though he uses the same phrases as “the imperialist West” etc., his reddit comments from many years ago show he’s from the US, his recordings on Youtube are in native US English, etc. He just ate up some of the weirder strains of Russian propaganda along with lots of other ideas (the sort of tankie ideology seen on Lemmy is primarily a US phenomenon, I believe a weird off-shoot of Cold War pro-USSR narratives). So I’m suspicious of this blanket conclusion that everyone who spreads pro-Russia, anti-west narratives is necessarily foreign to the US.

I studied Russian for a while, I’ve seen lots of Russian memes online, etc, but I have no idea what “вахтера” could mean?

Why do you think he couldn’t be American? Do you believe Americans are immune to Russian propaganda? There’s been several stories of US right-wingers simping for Russia so hard they moved there, frequently with comical outcomes, sent to the frontlines, etc., this is the same thing with a (not very convincing) left-wing coat of paint.