If you respect China, you’re a piece of shit. Taiwan deserves independence, Hong Kong does too, so does Tibet, and so does East Turkestan.
This is helping me filter people. These are true beliefs I hold and if you give me the “MUH TIBET HAD SLAVERY” thing, good job you bought into propeganda.
That is a fascinating graph indeed. Ever wondered why official rape rates can be much higher in very progressive countries than in ultra-convservative countries where women have few rights, even if rape is illegal there? Hint: It is not because there are necessarily more rapes.
Did you want to talk about rape statistics instead? You’re free to make your own thread. Your argument doesn’t count because it’s not an argument, it’s a tangentially related statement at best.
Some times it takes an outsider to see the problems, and I’m not alone in seeing massive democratic problems in China. You don’t know who participated in that poll (and neither do I) was it random people on the street or pro party people? With the amount of surveillance in China, I probably would think twice before speaking against the party.
The communist party has the sole power in China, while other parties technically are legal they haven’t got any power higher than city/regional level.
And then there’s the corruption, they have massive problems with that.
And before you go “hurr durr other countries bad” yes other countries do have problems and some may be worse than China, but that doesn’t legitimise Chinas government.
They lifted 800 million people out of poverty in 40 years and 90% of Chinese adults own their own home. They haven’t dropped a bomb in 50 years. They produce more solar panels in a year than the rest of the world has combined so far.
I see what you’re getting at but you only need to glance at the US to know that a lot of citizens of a country do NOT know WTF they’re talking about when it comes to their leadership.
Your point is that China is exceptionally nationalistic? Based on a subjective study. Nice hard facts there. What’s really awesome is that the source is partnered with Taiwan Foundation for Democracy. An organization explicitly aiming to distance Taiwan from China and strengthen it as a independent democratic government.
These are true beliefs I hold and if you give me the “MUH TIBET HAD SLAVERY” thing, good job you bought into propeganda.
I mean, so did almost literally everyone else to some degree, unless they went extinct as hunter-gatherers. If that’s your disqualifier, you need to go live with the penguins in Antarctica.
The argument isn’t that Tibet once had slavery at some point in it’s history, but that Tibet had slavery up until the PRC ended it. There are no states in the modern day that practice slavery or serfdom in a comparable way (you could argue things like “wage slavery,” but that’s still significantly different from chattel slavery or serfdom). Slave states do not have the right to exist, and any nation without slaves has the right to invade a slave state and free the slaves. That’s not an unreasonable standard, it’s a standard that exists today.
any nation without slaves has the right to invade a slave state and free the slaves.
If you believe that’s objectively true then I suspect you need to ask yourself “why aren’t governments everywhere banding together to obliterate the actual slavery going on inside their borders?”
Those discord user account compromises and social media accounts asking for gift cards to avoid releasing your personal whatever aren’t legitimate businesses and the people performing those actions for them are not free to quit or even leave the buildimg they “work” in.
Okay, you could maybe argue that’s one-off tourist kidnapping by criminal parties at scale, but then we have blood diamonds. How is it they still exist?
Vegas hotels getting regular visits from cops as the drugs wear off early and the occasional girl escapes from the room she’s being held in, the fact that the superbowl is the world’s largest human trafficking conference, large portions of haiti under the current regime, slavery is EVERYWHERE and whoever is feeding you that line and placing the onus at a governmental policy level is trying to distract you from reality and hand-wave away anything that doesn’t line up with their own agenda.
The world banded rogether to eliminate CFC’s because of the ozone hole.
It’s clear we CAN all cooperate, so I posit you should be asking yourself: when reality doesn’t line up with the convenient point-proving “statements of fact” someone is pushing your direction, what does someone stand to gain from misrepresenting reality with quotable sound bytes?
(you could argue things like “wage slavery,” but that’s still significantly different from chattel slavery or serfdom)
Human trafficking is illegal everywhere. It still happens, but does so in the shadows. If a nation can just accuse another of not doing enough to combat human trafficking, that’s subjective by how much is “enough,” and the scope of it is hard to prove in an objective and indisputable way. Any nation could accuse any other nation and it would be a free pass whenever anyone wanted to go to war.
I’m talking about having an official stance of legalized chattel slavery or serfdom.
any nation without slaves has the right to invade a slave state and free the slaves.
This one doesn’t ring well. It is one thing if the oppressed people themselves asked for help, but otherwise its just an invasion. No nation has a ‘right’ to free slaves.
What population of slaves in history has not welcomed their liberators? What population of slaves in history has been permitted to petition someone to come free them?
If you respect China, you’re a piece of shit. Taiwan deserves independence, Hong Kong does too, so does Tibet, and so does East Turkestan.
This is helping me filter people. These are true beliefs I hold and if you give me the “MUH TIBET HAD SLAVERY” thing, good job you bought into propeganda.
I eat ass.
China as a country, a people and a culture deserve respect. The current power structure doesn’t.
They literally can’t complain…
Or what?
The social credit system
Lmao. The one that doesn’t exist?
it doesnt take much searching to find out it does…
if you want to lie, at least be competent about it
Wow, so confident. Hit me with a source, big guy!
That is a fascinating graph indeed. Ever wondered why official rape rates can be much higher in very progressive countries than in ultra-convservative countries where women have few rights, even if rape is illegal there? Hint: It is not because there are necessarily more rapes.
Lmao
No arguments, I see.
I’m waiting for an argument against my data.
Did you think your comment was worthy of rebuttal, lmfao?
So no argument, except for “your argument does not count because I say so”. Ok. .ml style.
Did you want to talk about rape statistics instead? You’re free to make your own thread. Your argument doesn’t count because it’s not an argument, it’s a tangentially related statement at best.
It certainly highlights a level of self-denial.
Over a billion people all just so in denial.
That’s what propaganda does. China isn’t a free democracy.
I’m sure you know better than the actual Chinese people polled. Thanks for setting the record straight.
and when North Koreans say the Kim gang are great, we should believe them.
I believe them more than the obvious bullshit propaganda coming from the country that literally genocided them, lmao.
You believe shit like every man in the country has to get the same haircut?
Some times it takes an outsider to see the problems, and I’m not alone in seeing massive democratic problems in China. You don’t know who participated in that poll (and neither do I) was it random people on the street or pro party people? With the amount of surveillance in China, I probably would think twice before speaking against the party.
The communist party has the sole power in China, while other parties technically are legal they haven’t got any power higher than city/regional level.
And then there’s the corruption, they have massive problems with that.
And before you go “hurr durr other countries bad” yes other countries do have problems and some may be worse than China, but that doesn’t legitimise Chinas government.
They lifted 800 million people out of poverty in 40 years and 90% of Chinese adults own their own home. They haven’t dropped a bomb in 50 years. They produce more solar panels in a year than the rest of the world has combined so far.
Yeah. There’s a lot to like.
Also, more data from a “better” source.
https://rajawali.hks.harvard.edu/resources/understanding-ccp-resilience-surveying-chinese-public-opinion-through-time/
I see what you’re getting at but you only need to glance at the US to know that a lot of citizens of a country do NOT know WTF they’re talking about when it comes to their leadership.
You think there might be a bit of an education gap between the two countries looool?
Your point is that China is exceptionally nationalistic? Based on a subjective study. Nice hard facts there. What’s really awesome is that the source is partnered with Taiwan Foundation for Democracy. An organization explicitly aiming to distance Taiwan from China and strengthen it as a independent democratic government.
https://allianceofdemocracies.org/supporters
You like this one better?
https://rajawali.hks.harvard.edu/resources/understanding-ccp-resilience-surveying-chinese-public-opinion-through-time/
Info from 2003-2016 saying the population of China is extremely nationalistic… Again… what’s your point?
Keep thinking buddy, you’ll figure it out eventually.
What a good way to convey your point.
Honestly it speaks for itself and your shitty little comments don’t do much to refute that, definitely not enough for me to need to address them, lol.
Show me your proof for your other comment.
I mean, so did almost literally everyone else to some degree, unless they went extinct as hunter-gatherers. If that’s your disqualifier, you need to go live with the penguins in Antarctica.
The argument isn’t that Tibet once had slavery at some point in it’s history, but that Tibet had slavery up until the PRC ended it. There are no states in the modern day that practice slavery or serfdom in a comparable way (you could argue things like “wage slavery,” but that’s still significantly different from chattel slavery or serfdom). Slave states do not have the right to exist, and any nation without slaves has the right to invade a slave state and free the slaves. That’s not an unreasonable standard, it’s a standard that exists today.
If you believe that’s objectively true then I suspect you need to ask yourself “why aren’t governments everywhere banding together to obliterate the actual slavery going on inside their borders?”
Those discord user account compromises and social media accounts asking for gift cards to avoid releasing your personal whatever aren’t legitimate businesses and the people performing those actions for them are not free to quit or even leave the buildimg they “work” in.
Okay, you could maybe argue that’s one-off tourist kidnapping by criminal parties at scale, but then we have blood diamonds. How is it they still exist?
Vegas hotels getting regular visits from cops as the drugs wear off early and the occasional girl escapes from the room she’s being held in, the fact that the superbowl is the world’s largest human trafficking conference, large portions of haiti under the current regime, slavery is EVERYWHERE and whoever is feeding you that line and placing the onus at a governmental policy level is trying to distract you from reality and hand-wave away anything that doesn’t line up with their own agenda.
The world banded rogether to eliminate CFC’s because of the ozone hole.
It’s clear we CAN all cooperate, so I posit you should be asking yourself: when reality doesn’t line up with the convenient point-proving “statements of fact” someone is pushing your direction, what does someone stand to gain from misrepresenting reality with quotable sound bytes?
Human trafficking is illegal everywhere. It still happens, but does so in the shadows. If a nation can just accuse another of not doing enough to combat human trafficking, that’s subjective by how much is “enough,” and the scope of it is hard to prove in an objective and indisputable way. Any nation could accuse any other nation and it would be a free pass whenever anyone wanted to go to war.
I’m talking about having an official stance of legalized chattel slavery or serfdom.
This one doesn’t ring well. It is one thing if the oppressed people themselves asked for help, but otherwise its just an invasion. No nation has a ‘right’ to free slaves.
The PRC had considerable help from Tibetan serfs.
What population of slaves in history has not welcomed their liberators? What population of slaves in history has been permitted to petition someone to come free them?
Wat