IIUC, even the Communists say that communism doesn’t exist, and that they were in a socialist phase.
IIRC I’ve read the term “Actual Socialist Countries”.
You think calling the US fascist is an exaggeration, lmfao?
Fascists have an ideology. Trump pretty well has none, and he’ll be gone in 27 months if not sooner.
You are free to protest against Trump in the US; call ICE goons names—scream at them even; IIUC no one has been conscripted in over 50 years; there are still Pride Parades—even now, the US is less homophobic than today’s Russia or yesterday’s USSR; Trump’s party will probably lose a House, maybe 2; and unlike Stalin, IIUC, the US made no treaty with the USSR to carve up a neighbouring country.
I’d say the US is part democracy, part plutocracy, and part kakistocracy, but fascist? not really.
Right. So no countries ever reached communism. Glad we can agree.
Oh man this is getting old. Give me the definition of fascism now, or the 14 tenets or whatever, and we can go through how the US fits most if not all of the markers, lol.
Right. So no countries ever reached communism. Glad we can agree.
What do you think about the governments of North Korea, the PRC, Cuba, Nicaragua, Maduro’s Venezuela, or the former USSR?
Oh man this is getting old. Give me the definition of fascism now, or the 14 tenets or whatever, and we can go through how the US fits most if not all of the markers, lol.
.1. Any right-wing, authoritarian, nationalist ideology characterized by centralized, totalitarian governance, strong regimentation of the economy and society, and repression of criticism or opposition. [1922]
.1. (strictest sense) The ideology and practice of the 20th-century Italian movement from which this name came.
Coordinate terms: Francoism, Nazism
.2. (loosely, by extension, derogatory) Any system of strong autocracy or oligarchy usually to the extent of bending and breaking the law, race-baiting, and/or violence against largely unarmed populations.
.3. (figurative, derogatory) Any extreme reliance on or enforcement of rules and regulations.
.1. Any right-wing, authoritarian, nationalist ideology characterized by centralized, totalitarian governance, strong regimentation of the economy and society, and repression of criticism or opposition. [1922]
Bingo bango America is fascist, lol.
I hate all governments by the way, some are definitely more worthy of scorn than others though.
Do you think your time is best spent arguing about the government of a small island 90 miles off the coast of Florida that sends free doctors around the world, or the global hegemonic power that’s starving the children there to death, who’s also responsible for destabilizing the world for the last 80 years?
.1. Any right-wing, authoritarian, nationalist ideology characterized by centralized, totalitarian governance, strong regimentation of the economy and society, and repression of criticism or opposition. [1922]
Bingo bango America is fascist, lol.
right-wing,
Presumably, many leftists consider centrists to be rightists, while many rightists consider centrists to be leftists.
authoritarian,
The US doesn’t seem to be too wt:authoritarian, at least compared to many other countries not generally described as authoritarian.
nationalist ideology
How many countries allow the public burning of its own flag?
characterized by centralized, totalitarian governance,
I don’t see that, at least not completely. Some states allow abortion, some don’t. Some have the death penalty, some don’t. etc.
strong regimentation of the economy
The US arguably has more free enterprise than many other countries.
and society,
Lots of American men have long hair.
and repression of criticism or opposition. [1922]
Trump’s anti-defamation suits against Bill Maher failed (and deservedly so).
Jon Stewart mocks Trump regularly (and rightly so).
I hate all governments by the way, some are definitely more worthy of scorn than others though.
I’m kinda agree with you there.
I think the governments of North Korea, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Iraq under Saddam Hussein, the Taliban, and Hamas (what were they thinking would have happened after that stupid stunt on 7 October 2023 (which, btw, was Putin’s 71st birthday)) are about as bad as the US government, if not worse.
The US has done and is doing lots of bad things, but I wouldn’t describe them as fascist.
Indeed, I think I remember watching a YouTube video where calling the US fascist somewhat minimizes what they did in the past. I suppose they’re right insofar that neither Franco’s Spain, Mussolini’s Italy, nor Pinochet’s Chile had millions of black slaves, nor stole millions of sq km of indigenous lands (though I suppose with Mussolini it wasn’t from a lack of trying).
It’s like the word “genocide”. Before I read the UN definition, I thought it was something like mass murdering millions. Now residential schools are considered genocide, while, IIUC, leftists such as BadEmpanada and Roger Waters deny a Uighur genocide.
We need new words, I suppose.
Do you think your time is best spent arguing about the government of a small island 90 miles off the coast of Florida that sends free doctors around the world, or the global hegemonic power that’s starving the children there to death, who’s also responsible for destabilizing the world for the last 80 years?
Isn’t Cuba the 2nd largest island (and largest island nation) in the Caribbean? If it was a US state it’d rank at 35th largest, pushing out Virginia; or bigger than Ireland (both ROC and NI combined) or Iceland—don’t be fooled by Mercator. 😁 🙂
Don’t a lot of US doctors work pro bono around the world?
Is the US banning food imports to Cuba (and why can’t Cuba feed itself as its density is less than 150/sq km)?
For much of the past 80 years, it seems the world has been relatively stable. Of course there was the cold war, but it never went to nuclear blows. After greatly helping, as an Ally, to disinfect Germany of much of its Nazi vermin, and Japan of much of its militarist vermin, those countries have done pretty well. China grew from Mao, to Deng, to its current dictator (and Taiwan even more so), India got its independence, and now it has an ≥$5 trillion GDP.
Some might consider free healthcare, housing, and food to be the centrist policy.
The rich get houses and mansions, but the poor get free government apartments.
Two-tiered health care will help the rich, those very devoted to paying for their own health, and/or those who take measures in their personal lives to maintain good health; while the rest get government-paid health care.
The rich and/or those so particular-they’d-pay-over-30%-of-their-income-on-food get to dine on filet mignon, $60-a-loaf bread, and drink wp:Civet coffee (rd); while the poor get at least 3000 calories a day plus their RDA of micronutrients.
IIUC, even the Communists say that communism doesn’t exist, and that they were in a socialist phase.
IIRC I’ve read the term “Actual Socialist Countries”.
Fascists have an ideology. Trump pretty well has none, and he’ll be gone in 27 months if not sooner.
You are free to protest against Trump in the US; call ICE goons names—scream at them even; IIUC no one has been conscripted in over 50 years; there are still Pride Parades—even now, the US is less homophobic than today’s Russia or yesterday’s USSR; Trump’s party will probably lose a House, maybe 2; and unlike Stalin, IIUC, the US made no treaty with the USSR to carve up a neighbouring country.
I’d say the US is part democracy, part plutocracy, and part kakistocracy, but fascist? not really.
Right. So no countries ever reached communism. Glad we can agree.
Oh man this is getting old. Give me the definition of fascism now, or the 14 tenets or whatever, and we can go through how the US fits most if not all of the markers, lol.
What do you think about the governments of North Korea, the PRC, Cuba, Nicaragua, Maduro’s Venezuela, or the former USSR?
wt:fascism
Bingo bango America is fascist, lol.
I hate all governments by the way, some are definitely more worthy of scorn than others though.
Do you think your time is best spent arguing about the government of a small island 90 miles off the coast of Florida that sends free doctors around the world, or the global hegemonic power that’s starving the children there to death, who’s also responsible for destabilizing the world for the last 80 years?
Presumably, many leftists consider centrists to be rightists, while many rightists consider centrists to be leftists.
The US doesn’t seem to be too wt:authoritarian, at least compared to many other countries not generally described as authoritarian.
How many countries allow the public burning of its own flag?
I don’t see that, at least not completely. Some states allow abortion, some don’t. Some have the death penalty, some don’t. etc.
The US arguably has more free enterprise than many other countries.
Lots of American men have long hair.
Trump’s anti-defamation suits against Bill Maher failed (and deservedly so).
Jon Stewart mocks Trump regularly (and rightly so).
I’m kinda agree with you there.
I think the governments of North Korea, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Iraq under Saddam Hussein, the Taliban, and Hamas (what were they thinking would have happened after that stupid stunt on 7 October 2023 (which, btw, was Putin’s 71st birthday)) are about as bad as the US government, if not worse.
The US has done and is doing lots of bad things, but I wouldn’t describe them as fascist.
Indeed, I think I remember watching a YouTube video where calling the US fascist somewhat minimizes what they did in the past. I suppose they’re right insofar that neither Franco’s Spain, Mussolini’s Italy, nor Pinochet’s Chile had millions of black slaves, nor stole millions of sq km of indigenous lands (though I suppose with Mussolini it wasn’t from a lack of trying).
It’s like the word “genocide”. Before I read the UN definition, I thought it was something like mass murdering millions. Now residential schools are considered genocide, while, IIUC, leftists such as BadEmpanada and Roger Waters deny a Uighur genocide.
We need new words, I suppose.
Isn’t Cuba the 2nd largest island (and largest island nation) in the Caribbean? If it was a US state it’d rank at 35th largest, pushing out Virginia; or bigger than Ireland (both ROC and NI combined) or Iceland—don’t be fooled by Mercator. 😁 🙂
Don’t a lot of US doctors work pro bono around the world?
Is the US banning food imports to Cuba (and why can’t Cuba feed itself as its density is less than 150/sq km)?
For much of the past 80 years, it seems the world has been relatively stable. Of course there was the cold war, but it never went to nuclear blows. After greatly helping, as an Ally, to disinfect Germany of much of its Nazi vermin, and Japan of much of its militarist vermin, those countries have done pretty well. China grew from Mao, to Deng, to its current dictator (and Taiwan even more so), India got its independence, and now it has an ≥$5 trillion GDP.
Liberals man. They’d stick their heads in the sand before considering anything counter to their beliefs.
Nevermind, lmao
This guy seems somewhat receptive
We’re hated by many in the far left and far right.
(You can’t please them all, I guess.)
Surely the best course of action is somewhere between “free healthcare, housing and food” , and “rounding up undesirables to turn into chimney smoke!”
Some might consider free healthcare, housing, and food to be the centrist policy.
The rich get houses and mansions, but the poor get free government apartments.
Two-tiered health care will help the rich, those very devoted to paying for their own health, and/or those who take measures in their personal lives to maintain good health; while the rest get government-paid health care.
The rich and/or those so particular-they’d-pay-over-30%-of-their-income-on-food get to dine on filet mignon, $60-a-loaf bread, and drink wp:Civet coffee (rd); while the poor get at least 3000 calories a day plus their RDA of micronutrients.
They would be very incorrect, and politically ignorant, lol.